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	<title>Comments on: I hate it when people do this to me.</title>
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	<description>hmmm... what?</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: owen</title>
		<link>http://spoken-for.org/archives/2005/02/24/813/comment-page-1/#comment-4118</link>
		<dc:creator>owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4. You're begging to get emails/calls whenever they can't figure out the CMS, and then you'll end up coding the CMS instead of the focused site you intended.
3. You're begging for another email that says the same thing as this one, but in their pick of a whiney, exasperated, or beligerant tone.
1. You aren't providing any support documentation of what you have done, nor a generating a record of what yet needs to be done that you can point to in future correspondence.

So... 2: Be sure to forward copies of the emails you sent to the relevant parties asking for what you need.  Be clear that you can't get the materials you need by yourself and that apparently their involvement is required.  Mention how long it took you to learn what you know, and that it would be an innappropriate use of your time to train someone to the required level of competence for doing the excellent results you intend to provide.  Follow up with a call to make sure the email is clear about what you need to continue, and that you're still interested in getting the job done.

If you're really ticked off, metion that you can forward on the names and rates of a couple of other professionals who can take on their project if you're not meeting their needs.  Maybe he'll better appreciate what you offer.  Doubtful it'll ever be so, because this is the plight of the web designer, but it's theoretically possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4. You&#8217;re begging to get emails/calls whenever they can&#8217;t figure out the CMS, and then you&#8217;ll end up coding the CMS instead of the focused site you intended.<br />
3. You&#8217;re begging for another email that says the same thing as this one, but in their pick of a whiney, exasperated, or beligerant tone.<br />
1. You aren&#8217;t providing any support documentation of what you have done, nor a generating a record of what yet needs to be done that you can point to in future correspondence.</p>
<p>So&#8230; 2: Be sure to forward copies of the emails you sent to the relevant parties asking for what you need.  Be clear that you can&#8217;t get the materials you need by yourself and that apparently their involvement is required.  Mention how long it took you to learn what you know, and that it would be an innappropriate use of your time to train someone to the required level of competence for doing the excellent results you intend to provide.  Follow up with a call to make sure the email is clear about what you need to continue, and that you&#8217;re still interested in getting the job done.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re really ticked off, metion that you can forward on the names and rates of a couple of other professionals who can take on their project if you&#8217;re not meeting their needs.  Maybe he&#8217;ll better appreciate what you offer.  Doubtful it&#8217;ll ever be so, because this is the plight of the web designer, but it&#8217;s theoretically possible.</p>
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		<title>By: jawa</title>
		<link>http://spoken-for.org/archives/2005/02/24/813/comment-page-1/#comment-4115</link>
		<dc:creator>jawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 21:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3. Ignore it and pretend I didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t get it?

Stop getting walked over :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3. Ignore it and pretend I didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t get it?</p>
<p>Stop getting walked over :-P</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://spoken-for.org/archives/2005/02/24/813/comment-page-1/#comment-4114</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that you will have to teach someone sounds like it willl take too much of your time.  You don't know how computer literate this person is, if at all.  Doing your first choice just means that there's one more person to miscommunicate with.  If he doesn't do what he's supposed to, then it will make you look bad.  I'd do your last choice with a really good excuse.  It sounds like you've been more than nice to these people already...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that you will have to teach someone sounds like it willl take too much of your time.  You don&#8217;t know how computer literate this person is, if at all.  Doing your first choice just means that there&#8217;s one more person to miscommunicate with.  If he doesn&#8217;t do what he&#8217;s supposed to, then it will make you look bad.  I&#8217;d do your last choice with a really good excuse.  It sounds like you&#8217;ve been more than nice to these people already&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Vera</title>
		<link>http://spoken-for.org/archives/2005/02/24/813/comment-page-1/#comment-4113</link>
		<dc:creator>Vera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aww man.. that ougghtaa suck. I mean, you are helping them doing it for free afterall, and they push it even more? I think that's just cold-hearted in my opinion. I'd say your such a nice and lovely person that would even help people that don't really have much of a clue of web designing i guess =/. Man, I would get cooked up if i recieved such an e-mail o__O'. I guess most people don't understand this phrase as I always hear it in my life "I don't have time." That's true, even trying to fix up your own website; you hardly have time since you have a life.. and im sure most of us do. *sigh.. shrugs* im not sure what to do with the e-mail.. lol. Maybe other people have a better input :).. see you soon! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aww man.. that ougghtaa suck. I mean, you are helping them doing it for free afterall, and they push it even more? I think that&#8217;s just cold-hearted in my opinion. I&#8217;d say your such a nice and lovely person that would even help people that don&#8217;t really have much of a clue of web designing i guess =/. Man, I would get cooked up if i recieved such an e-mail o__O&#8217;. I guess most people don&#8217;t understand this phrase as I always hear it in my life &#8220;I don&#8217;t have time.&#8221; That&#8217;s true, even trying to fix up your own website; you hardly have time since you have a life.. and im sure most of us do. *sigh.. shrugs* im not sure what to do with the e-mail.. lol. Maybe other people have a better input :).. see you soon!</p>
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