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Bye-bye, Norton, I’ve had enough of you!

 

Yessssss, I know. I’ve been urged to move on from Norton Antivirus and Norton Internet Security for several years now. I was just wallowing in my comfort zone, however, and I never did. But now…

Ick. Let’s not even mention the problems Norton has with Windows Vista, no, my issue is this stupid activation thing. In efforts to keep people from pirating the software, they are making this hard on real users.

Version 2005 or 2006 was out - I don’t remember which, and I had reached my maximum number of activations, whatever that is. The program sent me to their website where I was given a phone number to call and have it activated by phone, right? Yes, because I was using the program as I was supposed to: legally, on one computer that just had had to be reformatted a few times.

Well there is now a real flaw with this installing and activating thing. My 2007 version of Norton Internet Security now resides on three computers. The box and the booklet stated that I can install it on three computers. It stated this in a big huge purple thingy on the box. Three computers. That’s part of the reason I bought it. This version resides on three computers and three computers only: my desktop, my laptop, and the desktop I edit video on.

As we all know, when I bought the desktop, I had a few problems with the SBC software killing my Windows installation and I reformatted it a couple times the first day I got the stupid thing. There went three installs and activations of Norton right there. Then my laptop had an installation and then one again when I reformatted it a couple of weeks ago. Then the editing machine: we had some problems and now, basically, we’re on our second hard drive. We do still have the original one in there, as a secondary (well, technically as a seventh-ary, but that’s beside the point).

So I had installed Norton again on the editing machine but tonight it told me that I cannot activate it, because there had been too many installs. So I think, no big deal, I have the correct product key, I’ll just call them, so I click to the website. There’s a list of countries and many with phone numbers to call and many with “click here” links. I click for the one for the United States and I am told, basically, “sorry! Buy it again!”

Um, hello?

I’ve already bought it once, I want my three installations goshdangit!

So I click around for help for a little bit only to get to a place that says, um maybe your cd is defective, fill out this form, print it, and mail it in with your cd.

Um, hello? How about no?

I click some more until I finally find a real contact form and I let them know exactly what I think about this.

I get home and I check my email to find this response:

Thank you for contacting Symantec Online Customer Service.

I understand from your message that you are receiving error ,message as Exceeded number of installation.

Valerie, please note that Symantec’s End User Licensing Agreement (EULA) states that Norton products may only be used on one computer at a time. Since you have Norton Internet Security 2007 3 user pack you can install it on 3 computers. Our records indicate that your software has been activated on more computers than is permitted. Since you have exceeded the allowed number of installations for your Norton Internet Security 2007, you will not be able to use the program again.

As the current owner of a Symantec product, you do have the option of purchasing an additional copy at the reduced upgrade price. To view your upgrade purchase options, please visit our Upgrade Center Webpage, at the following URL:

[...]

After purchasing and installing your Norton 2007 please reply to this E-mail with the serial number of your Norton product and I will be glad to transfer the remaining subscription period to your new Norton product.

Excuse me?

So even if I let this go and I forget the third computer, but then have to reformat my desktop or laptop, I can’t use the software again? What the heck is that?

Furthermore, if I’m going to pay for the software again why in all that is holy would I do it their way and only want my remaining subscription applied to it instead of a new full year? My subscription ends sometime in November.

And notice how she uses my name in the body of the email (she’d already addressed me before what I copied). It’s like she’s addressing a little kid or something. “Now listen here, little Johnny, you are only allowed to have one cookie before supper and if you insist on getting another one I’ll have to send you to your room.”

She also did not address anything where I’d explained why I would have numerous installs/activations of the program. I told her how I’d had to reformat computers and we got a new hard drive, etc. She completely ignored it.

And then? I tried to reply to this twice. And it bounced back. Twice. Something about an attachment not being accepted? There was no attachment, so whatever. It finally went through when I copied and pasted it all to a new email. I told her how ridiculous this is and went through the whole installations stories again.

Anyway. What is Norton smoking? Surely there has to be a better way to this? I mean it’s not like I’ve copied the CD and given out the product key to everyone I know. I’m the only one who has used this CD and to block me from using it on my computers is just wrong.

So, who can recommend a new virus program for me? Something with a firewall. Something affordable. Something that works on Vista and XP and will let me network my computers. I’m not buying anything Norton again and I’m not recommending it to anyone. Man these people should love me, because of me, they’ve sold a lot of software to people who would never think of buying Norton and would just continue to update the McAfee that came with their computers… And speaking of, I hate McAfee.

Grrr.

ADDENDUM - she responded and again feeds me the same bull. But she does explain a bit about the activation process. She says that information is sent to Norton and recorded about a computer’s configuration. She then says that I cannot use the software again, but then she says that I can use it again on the same machines it’s already installed on, but then again, she says that I cannot use it again… She just goes back and forth; but from what I can gather, you can use it again as long as your system configuration is EXACTLY the same as it was before. She admits that this includes not only hardware but software. So by changing our hard drive, even if the rest of it is the same computer and it has the original hard drive (or the original is not usable) we’ve been screwed. And then if I were to install Norton, uninstall it, install a different program, and reinstall Norton - it sees that computer as a completely different system! How ridiculous is that!?

Oh, and the people who are going to inevitably be all ticked off about this post, as tends to happen, can just keep their mouths shut. I’m not in the mood for debate and I’ll delete all comments that are even the tinest bit nasty.

 

29 Responses to “Bye-bye, Norton, I’ve had enough of you!”

  1.  

    I stopped using Norton a while ago. Mostly to save a few bucks, but I’m not going back!! Now I use AVGFree to protect me from viruses and ZoneAlarm firewall (free version). I’m wondering about changing to Avast as a virus protection, but I’m not sure just yet. ;)

  2.  

    I’ve been using Avast for some time, with ZoneAlarm as my firewall…safe :)

  3.  

    There are few things about how to activate Norton products. Product activation is a good measure against piracy. It’s also a real annoyance for many users, as a number of major software companies like Symantec, Adobe and Microsoft allow an extremely limited number of installs. Phone activation is relatively easy. If you experience trouble with phone activation, a keygen might be a good solution. SSG and TMG are specialized on keygens for most Norton products.

  4. Owen · (subscriber)
     

    Perhaps the best antivirus product on the market in terms of detection is Kaspersky. What I like best about Kaspersky is that it lets me use what firewall I want, separate from their own firewall product. For a firewall, I use Agnitum Outpost. It is the best software firewall, period. Both of these products are pricey for stand-alone installs, but they offer the granular control I need.

    However, if you’re looking for “set it and forget it” antivirus, anti-spyware, and firewall, please do consider OneCare. Microsoft’s antivirus is top-notch. When it comes to the convenience of letting something run and getting out of your way, OneCare has it nailed. My mom uses OneCare without any issues at all. It updates itself without her intervening and keeps her system safe and clean.

    The standard price is for three computers, so it should suit you well. Say what you want about Microsoft, their installed userbase for discovering issues like viruses and dealing properly with customers is beyond compare.

    As a general reminder, you are the first line of defense against something like a PC virus. If the antivirus is even necessary, then something is wrong on your computer to begin with. It’s OneCare’s goal to make sure you’re covered on all fronts.

    And it seems they have a 90-day free trial. ;)

  5.  

    Thanks everyone for all the input. I’ve got all the sites of all of them saved on that third computer for easy access. ;-)

    I did install the OneCare, though, because they have that 90 day free trial. And because of what you said, Owen, the install it and forget it, which is pretty much what we need up there. Though I didn’t have time to wait for the full system scan yet. Will leave that going Sunday night since I’ll be there Monday, too.

    And yeah, we are the first line of defense against viruses and such but it would make me so nervous to be without. There were times Norton would pop up and say it blocked an intrusion that was trying to come through my FTP program when I was using that. Wasn’t my server’s IP, either. Well, who knows?

    I have until sometime in October or November to decide about these computers here, though with the problems that Norton has with Vista, might go sooner than that… at least on the Vista computer.

    @ John — a few things about your comment. One is that I could not call in to activate Norton, the site would just plain not allow me that option. I was supposed to click to get the numbers for the US but it just told me, “sorry!” instead. Secondly, no, I’m not going to get into illegal keygens, sorry!

  6.  

    Keygen will not solve your problem as Vista is so stuborn that once it knows you had internet it will NOT allow Norton to phone activate at all.

    Only solution is find another Vista compatible protection package.

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    Well, we’re now using AGV on the Avid and my Vista computer is still running OneCare and the XP computer still has Norton… but not for long…

    But OneCare seems to take a loooooong time doing stuff. It took all yesterday to do tune up…?

  8. Jill · (subscriber)
     

    I bought Norton internet security 2007 in january for £24 PC world on special offer.
    Have had problems with pc needing to do more than normal factory resets thus more than normal installations of norton. Got PC replaced by pc world yesterday because of faults and tried to activate my norton on it and bam you have exceeded the allowable amount of installations appears.

    Just got off phone with norton on the 02076 165600 number and was told they cannot increase the amount of installations and it will cost me a further £39 for a new subscription and they will then add my remaining 7 months subscription to the new one.How kind

    Was also told if I have same problems again with this pc the same will happen again regarding my subscription

    What a load of b******s talk about rip off

    Have used norton for years but will never buy it again

  9.  

    Yes, Jill, that is exactly what I was going through except it sounds like you’ve only got one computer to deal with. That’s even worse, in my opinion!

    Sounds like they gave you a phone number, too. I noticed when I clicked to get the numbers that many countries had numbers while many, including the US did not. That was one of the most frustrating things of the whole ordeal.

    I ended up installing AVG Free on the editing machine, partially so I can just put it on and forget about it. It’s not like anyone is using that computer to really visit sites or anything anyway. Only two people, myself included really use that machine and have the password, and I am the one using it 95% of the time. Using a free program, also, will keep me from having to deal with paying for it then getting reimbursed or waiting for someone else to have the time to renew subscriptions.

    Anyway, on my desktop and laptop I’m now running Windows Live OneCare still - both on trials still. I could probably run it on the desktop forever for free because the activation thingy won’t change, it still says that it will expire in 90 days and it’s been on there for a while because I installed it on the laptop several days later and the laptop reads 83 days left. Whatever. Haha. I’ll activate it anyway later since I get three computers and will have to do that laptop…

    So that’s where we stand. I really am liking OneCare, actually. The backup feature is pretty nice. If nothing else, it harasses me to backup, I need that. My only issue with that is that backing up the laptop over the network to the external drive doesn’t work, it always errors out. But I’m keeping the laptop so small lately (since I access everything on the desktop and external over the network) that I’m now putting that backup on a USB drive. Sweet.

    Ok, didn’t mean to go off on a tangent there!

    Yes, Jill, sorry you’ve had the same issues. I am no longer recommending Norton to anyone or putting it on computers I set up. I’m sure it won’t hurt their pocketbook, but it makes me feel better. :)

  10. Jill · (subscriber)
     

    Hi Val
    I have norton on laptop and old pc. Problem was new vista pc that has now been replaced.
    That was my 3rd pc so now cannot use it on new replacement pc which is pain.
    Have you got vista as am considering onecare as option once trial period is up

  11.  

    Yes, I have Vista on my desktop, though not my laptop. That’s part of the reason I figured I’d give OneCare a try: with programs everywhere having trouble with Vista (including the Norton I had on there, it only live-protected half the time there for a while and I’d have to keep restarting it till it would turn on correctly) I figured since Microsoft makes OneCare, it shouldn’t have any problems with Vista. ;-) Of course, this whole activation countdown not working is kind of silly…

  12.  

    Norton has a new program out call Norton 360. It is the ultimate software security system. If you want you can Buy McAfee, Avast, or that Panda thing. but your best bet is to Continue Using Norton. You say you’ll never use it again. but the truth is you’ll be back they always come back. Give us a call will be happy to help ya for $69.

  13.  

    Heh. Funny how I about shot soda out my nose when I read your comment, Adam.

    Yes, I am aware of the new product and no, you can bet I will not be back. Absolutely not. Through all this I’ve found there are lots of wonderful products out there, many cheaper than Norton. Especially if this new thing is $69 rather than the $50 I was paying.

    No, I won’t be suckered into Norton again.

  14. Jill · (subscriber)
     

    I had to laugh at Adams comment too Val.

    I think he will find most people who dump Norton do not return as they find better products that are less consuming than Norton

    I was the only person between all family and friends still using Norton and had been told by all of them and also many PC tech guys to dump it years ago.
    So just waiting for free trial of Norton to end and then its Goodbye Norton for ever

    I wont be getting suckered in again either

    Jill

  15.  

    You’re right - I didn’t think too much about that before, but Norton always was a resource hog!

  16.  

    ya I just went through the exact same thing with Norton. What a load of crap. All I did was re-install my windows xp so I could dual boot between ubuntu and xp. And poof! Norton thinks I’ve exceeded my installs. Tech Support and Customer support were of NO help. They refused to fix the issue. Well their solution was to make me purchase another license! WTF. So now I’m contesting the charge on my CC.

  17.  

    jd — so you only installed Norton the two times, one for each operating system? Or am I not reading that right? How long ago did you purchase Norton? Hope you can get it worked out…

  18. Jill · (subscriber)
     

    Well I did it. I got rid of Norton on both PC’s.

    I did try out Live onecare for a couple of days but didnt like it

    I am now using free Active Virus Shield and it works just fine and is not a resource hog either.

    I have said goodbye to Norton for good without a single tear in my eye but with a huge smile at the money I will save over the years.lol

    Jill

  19.  

    Congratulations, Jill ;-)

  20. Jonathan · (subscriber)
     

    I’ve had the same problem and they won’t help me either! Told me that I needed to purchase another pile of crap. So i’m going to uninstall it and and wonder in amazement at how much quicker my computer will go!

  21.  

    I’ve stopped using Norton long time ago,for the same reasons you’ve explained,on the other hand Symantec products are systems hog,I had Norton Anti-Virus and never caught a virus or troyan horse,one uninstalled;tons of files are left in your system everywhere.I’ve been using AVG free editon and have no complains,great antivirus program ;updates are free,among others great things.Notice that I do not work for this company!.Regarding firewalls I use a software called COMODO firewall,which is also free and works great.You don’t need Norton,there are many free applications out there,than work much better.

  22.  

    Just to add a more positive note to the issue. I’ve just experienced the same problems after changing my laptop harddrive. After reading about your experience with Symantec I thought that this was it but to my suprise it took only 5 minutes to contact Symantec via their chat service and get IS 2006 reactivated - no questions asked. I am not sure how long it will last but for now this seems sorted.

  23.  

    @ Mike — very interesting, I’m glad it worked out for you! However, I never did try to call any numbers, I just emailed as I was never given any numbers with the activation error screens…

  24. Mike · (subscriber)
     

    I am having problems with Norton 360 in that I keep having to activate it! I kept getting the same ‘unable to activate’ message. I got in touch with Symantec thru the Norton Support feature in the software and finally got a solution. I had to set my systems clock back seven (7)days and then click on the activate key. It works but I still keep on loosing my activation! Norton SUCKS.
    I WILL not renew anymore!

  25.  

    Mike, that definitely sounds like too much hassle!

  26.  

    Val, I definately agree. I do respect Nortons right to secure their software against piracy but this is just too harsh. In the end they will only loose customer confidence. Just a shame that they can afford to push their marketing so that most new computers do come pre installed with Norton.

    By the way in the UK Barclays Bank give away a free version of F Secure 2006 to all their online banking customers (including a 24 month subscription). Has anyone got any experience with F Secure? Is it worth having?

    My experience with Symantec:
    http://myblog.redeaglesolutions.com/?p=5#more-5

  27.  

    Mike P — my sentiments exactly! I’ve never heard of F Secure myself, though, I don’t think. And thanks, will be checking out your link…

  28.  

    F Secure’s DOS product, F-Prot, wasn’t bad back in the day.

  29.  

    I tossed Norton a couple of years ago and have been very glad I did. I use Avast antivirus, Spyware Blaster and also use Adaware and SpyBot Search and Destroy. I use a hardware firewall through the router, not a software firewall. I also use a registry cleaner and defrag regularly. All computers work well without viruses or spyware.

    I would never again let anything made by Symantec on one of our computers. When we bought a laptop for our daughter, it came with Norton. First thing I did was to uninstall it and then clean the registry of anything related to Symantec!

    -Will

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